Talk:Debt to Intention

18 may 2012

Benjamin Brownell

Yes! wow, thank you +Dante-Gabryell Monson for laying out the nuance of "Reputation based gift eco.systems"--lots of substance here that i've been feeling compelled to elaborate on myself, but so far fallen well short of this mark. Evolutionary, and inspiring me to do some design / build / test soon.

"There is also no artificial abundance of fear, as the paradigm becomes one of mutual empowerment. Instead of a society based on "rights" and negative liberty, it is a society based on responsibility of each individual to the "ability to respond" by supporting intentional requests. Response abilities are individual choices for initiative which benefit of the incentive of increasing ones access to requests for mutual interdependence. Requests for debt to intention do not owe to power structures but to the emergence of interdependent individuals."

Dante-Gabryell Monson

Hi Benjamin! Great to read you. Yes, I share enthusiasm to co-design / build / test soon.

I feel that using some semantic web protocols can be a good starting point, scalable, and can be combined with other systems.

I imagine using webid and foaf as vocabulary, and add to it some basic new vocabulary enabling various metadata for contract graphs. ( basic taxonomy - request and offer/conditions/agents, and simply enable the emergence of a folksonomy via tags / metadata related to the initial basic taxonomy, which can be more specifically defined if needed by using other specific vocabularies )

also see the following that I wrote some time ago : http://sharewiki.org/en/Transaction_Graphs

in which I mention http://automenta.com/netention ( there has also been thinking around the use/integration of IEML : http://www.ieml.org/ )

I also suggest having a look at Pavlik's processes : http://polyeconomy.info/ https://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper/ http://www.slideshare.net/elfpavlik/federated-social-web-on-drupal/

and this pdf paper I got to know about via Pavlik : http://www.qucosa.de/fileadmin/data/qucosa/documents/7547/da.pdf ( design and implementation of a federated social network )

Also see a presentation made by Gael ( whom I have been brainstorming with in the last years here in Brussels )

Reputation currencies @ Hubnet.mp4

I am glad Gael included an aspect mentioning relational dynamics.

I particularly like Fiske : http://p2pfoundation.net/Relational_Model_Typology_-_Fiske

I look forward to facilitate awareness for emergent individual choices in relation to participation in economic networks,

enabling access to meta-data of current and past interdependencies, and potential future suggestions of networked interdependencies.

In effect, enabling us to choose what forms of relational dynamics we wish to support, and reduce anoptism ( http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism ).

I like to see this as tools and practices for the emergence of a 4th order system : http://attainable-utopias.org/tiki/FourthOrderCybernetics

and

http://cci.mit.edu/publications/CCIwp2011-04.pdf ( programming the global brain ) ////

Gael is in a process with some of the Hubs ( coworking spaces ) and Swift.

Pavlik and Gael also know about the metacurrency project, and met Arthur Brock.

Drupal could be an easy way of starting, building on WebID ?

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Swift is also interested in such alternative approach, yet from what I notice in relation to the "reputone", I seem to interpret that they perceive reputation as transferable, as with coins or debt. From my point of view, reputation is not like debt. Reputation is non-transferable.

see :

http://reputone.wordpress.com/

Innotribe@Sibos Toronto 2011 - Reputone preview!

https://www.swiftcommunity.net/

http://www.swift.com/

( Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication )

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4 september 2009

temporary discussion :

I feel the solutions that come out of all of these research topics are all inter-related.

Which units are currency in an information system ? ( including in RBE )

What transaction architectures are not part of governance ?

third question could be "what does <> mean" ?

Nathan, I like the Resource Based Economics vision, yet as from my point of view it still requires transactions within an information system ( hopefully some kind of libre MetaCortex/Noosphere :-p ), I wonder if it is correct to say that it works without money, depending on what is defined as money ?

Is money currency, and is currency money ?

Which units enabling exchanges ( including non-reciprocal exchanges / transactions ) within an information system are defined as money ?

Definition of "Currency" on wiktionary :

" a countable unit which symbolize real value "

" Money or other item used to facilitate transactions "

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/currency

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To show further how all of this is intertwined :

certain intentional mutual credit systems could, I believe, be defined as " Local welfare systems favouring social cohesion " ( SSH.2010.2.1-2 )

such as Fureai Kippu - I suggest googling it further.

I also imagine that certain information systems can directly include intentional units ( reversed debt ? requests for support ? ) within transactions, and create intentional markets, combined with actual support units to these intentional units, and reputation units, hence offering new modes of governance...

There seems not to be a clear border...

When researching the future of the public sector, which public sector are we talking about ?

A public sector controlled by... a geographically defined power structure ?

or a public sector managed by ... distributed intentional information systems ?

Some convergence points seem to be "Commons", "Distributed Systems" , "Transactions" , ... and a shift from a paradigm of "Competition, Coercion and Obligations" to a paradigm of "Synergies through Shared Inspiration and intrinsically motivated initiatives" :

Enabling greater complexity through opening up opportunities for response-ability.